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  • #1815

    In reply to: Synchronicity

    Jib
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      Funny thing is that I never go check the members stats and then I wanted to go just a few minutes ago.
      It showed me that I had 353 comments and 1053 visits :D
      And that Tracy has more posts than she has visits :)) and she managed to do the 957th comment.

      #1086
      Jib
      Participant

        Yann suddenly felt a rush of warm energy… superimposed was the image of Finn.
        Looking at Yurick he saw him smile dreamily.

        #1073
        ÉricÉric
        Keymaster

          Wow, thought Al when he heard the cyputer tell him the last entry by Sam, and I thought I was the big pooper…

          #1072

          This door is influenced by the energy you irradiate.

          You have to trust your energy in order for it to lead you to the most fulfilling place.

          Irtak drew his hand closer to the rippling surface of the door. Its aspect was so changing that it was like he was seeing all the tiniest elements that composed the matter, whatever it was. Hesitating, he asked Leormn.

          — Are you trying one of your tricks on me? It’s like I’m hypnotized.

          He’s not trying to lure you in… said Jeckle.
          The vibration you are currently feeling is the resonance of your energy with the one filtering through that door. said Heckle. I suspect it comes from another realm…
          But it is close to this one, Jeckle added. His muzzle quivered with excitement. I feel a friendly energy filtering from the other side.

          The waves of curiosity emitted by his friends were compelling, and Leormn could feel it. He himself was very interested by what he could feel was some kind of counterpart of himself. He was familiar with the energy but it was somewhat different from his own.

          Our strong desire is maintaining the door open. We can go safely through it and return in no time… he suggested in a soft persuasive tone.

          Arona, who was feeling a bit forgotten, grunted and added a tad dubious :
          — I’m not sure we should do it. We should tell the others… Where are they by the way?

          Apparently, the dragons and the boy were more fascinated by what was leaking out of her drawing. She’d been a bit surprised that one of her creations… if one could call the few brushstrokes a creation… that it could produce such an odd reaction. She couldn’t help but notice that the two words were anagrams.

          Leormn looked at her with a renewed interest.

          I’m feeling you are connected to that other realm, dear Arona. We all are in a way, but it’s like your lineage came from that… gate. Would you dare find out about your origin?

          She looked at him dubiously. His gaze was so intense that one moment…

          — Are you serious? she asked.

          He grinned… Who knows… if you don’t go you may never find out ;)) and I’m sure the others can take care of themselves when we are gone.

          Saying that he jumped on the other side like he was acting on a whim.

          The twins looked at each other and followed him… and Irtak was next…
          What was she to do?
          It was almost as if the door was staring at her. Challenging her… and she didn’t really like to be alone in these dark corridors.
          She jumped in and felt completely stretched out for what seemed a few seconds. She almost lost sense of who she was when an image started to form in her mind.

          It expanded until she was surrounded by a warm sensation of well being and lightness. She was completely safe in this place.
          A sudden woosh and a sensation of cold. She fell on the floor, her members suddenly failing her. The light was completely different and she couldn’t hear anything. Panic began to overwhelm her and she realized she couldn’t emit any sound either.

          As suddenly as it was gone, her sense of hearing reappeared.

          Who was shouting like that?

          Arona… Arona!

          The directedness in the tone was enough to make her recover her balance. She stopped shouting and began to notice her other senses… nothing particular at first, but she had the weird impression that it was different. Looking around her, she saw that the dragons were sniffing around like puppies and Irtak was following them like one of them.

          — Where are we? she asked Leormn.
          The sound of her voice was lower-pitched than usual, and Leormn started to laugh at her look of dismay.

          Hahaha! I don’t know yet… but we have all the time to discover.

          — Can’t we come back to the cave now? I don’t feel comfortable here… look at the sand, it’s purple… maybe it’s some kind of bacteria or something, maybe it’s contagious…

          He gave her one of those irritating wink. She was about to retort bluntly when she realized there was no way back.
          The door had disappeared.

          #1071

          Lady Eagleston enjoyed staying in the warm potting shed, taking her time to enjoy, appreciate and admire the ecstatic beauty of the blooming orchids. She let her thoughts wander for a few moments in the pleasant place smelling of cedar.

          Her old friend, Hector Coon had sent her a rather unusual present this morning: a few bits coming from a watermelon’s rind strangely carved with unusual symbols. What an eccentric charming old fool this Hector…
          They both loved to do each other unexpected presents of which they would then try to find some underlying meaning. Not that there was any such meaning to be identified most of the time, but it was some time pleasantly spent.

          So, she had thought the only place safe to bring the bits to was here — mostly to protect them from the furious cleaning practices of Finnley, who wouldn’t have the pleasure to throw them to the garbage this time. She had seen his disgusted look when she had opened the package with excitement.
          Well, now what would he imagine she was doing in there?… :yahoo_whistling:

          #1067

          Care to come with me through that door?, Leörmn asked more out of courtesy than anything else.
          It’s the newt cycle now, I infer it’s safe now to open that door.

          #1064
          ÉricÉric
          Keymaster

            Well, I wonder what your Gayesh is about Tina said to Becky.
            You see, I’ve made my little investigation, and he’s not referenced as a scientist, much less a doctor in medicine anywhere…
            — Pffft, OF COURSE he’s not, sighed Becky. He’s a busy man, with lots of secrets.
            — AH-AH! I got you there. I thought you always said there was no secrets.
            — Oh, sure, he doesn’t keep any secret from me. Becky was a bit cut to the quick in that implicit rebuttal of her investigatory skills. You’re not implying that I’m not…
            — Well, to be perfectly frank with you Becky dearie
            — Yeah, bring it on, sweetie; a little rudeness won’t hurt
            — … I think you’ll become a fattened cow in a harem, if the harm hasn’t been done yet.
            — Oh, that was rude.
            — Oops, must have been my evil twin.

            Even Tina had been surprised at her unrestrained expression. “All for the best,” she thought to herself, “better with Becky than with Al, she’s really easier on forgetting others. Blessed be her short-term memory.”

            #1063
            Jib
            Participant

              The creaking sound of the door reminded her of a young lampürnok during the mating season on the Duane. Loads of lamprunki (plural for lampürnok) near Mount Elok’ram in her little village.

              The pock-marked face of Pavel appeared at the door.

              — Pheeeebe! I am sooo glaad we meet again.

              He entered and sat on what was supposed to be a bed.

              — I can’t say I’m glad, Pavel.

              She snorted.

              — Last time I saw you, you were running away with one of my possessions. And by the Elder gods! Couldn’t you do something about your monstrous face with all that I taught you? Well, Georges was always better than you could be… I wonder where he is currently…

              She had said that more to herself than to get any answer from him. He didn’t depart from his smile and his apparently joyous mood.

              — Well, at least I saved you from a cerrrrtain death. And I know how grateful you arrre inside yourrrrself.

              That horrid accent of his. It had always made her shudder. But she had to cope with it… for now. She needed to know where she was and why he seemed so sure he would find her there at that very moment. What was he looking for, and how was the Baron involved in all this.

              — You know that I never liked small-talk. Why don’t you tell me what you want and stop pretending to be what you can’t be? All you can do is work for someone else. You’re too stupid and too coward to take any initiative. You’re too numb to use your imagination…

              She didn’t like the quavering quality of her voice. She had to be dead tired that she was loosing her temper like that.
              She cowered back in her chair as he started to move closer, his face suddenly twisted in anger. It was obvious he wouldn’t touch her, he still feared her, she could see it in his eyes… but he also knew that she was quite powerless at the moment. She’d almost drowned in that mass of water, it had changed her in a way she couldn’t fathom yet, and she could feel a small ball of anguish deep inside. She thought for a moment he would beat her. Though he managed to compose his fake joyful expression again.

              — Listen Pheeeebee, I’m not the impulsive lad you knew. And though I’m not as good as the Dandy I can still impress you, I’m sure of it. But we’re not here to speak about parlor tricks or measure our prowess.

              She couldn’t help but notice that he had lost his accent.

              — The Baron… yes I work for him now… another old friend of yours… I wonder how old you are

              As she was frowning he continued.

              — Nonetheless, he needs your help in Hawaii.

              A dim light in her mind. So he was after the skulls too. She had to be more cautious about what she could blurt out, especially in her condition.

              #1062

              Were are we Anu? , the mother asked her young daughter trotting in front of her. My, it’s awfully dark in there… Are you sure we’ll find the others here?
              — Yes Mum. Anu answered in a soft voice.
              — Don’t be so anxious, Lily dear; trust our little girl; after all, she did so bravely well on her own after that plane crash.
              — You’re right Aaron, but this place is so… I don’t know, it gives me the creeps. It’s like… I couldn’t tell why, but it’s like we’re not remotely close to the Miami… or even the Sarcastic Sea where we’re supposed to be stranded…
              — It’s because we’re not, muttered Anita, more to herself than to her mother. But we’ll be soon enough, she added.
              — Sometimes I wonder how can Anu know so well were we are when we’re so lost, her mother mumbled…

              Balbina was following the little group as it was heading to the cave where one of the portal’s entrances was located. She could see the entrance clearly, glowing and sending ripples of energy coils, but that was only because she was travelling in her dream-body. While Anita, who was quite tuned into those things, wasn’t appearing to be lost, the parents seemed more than a little in the dark, and not only figuratively speaking…

              Balbina turned to the rabbit who was keeping her company.
              — And do you know were they’re going to?
              And do you like the things that life is showing you? giggled Yuki. Well, more seriously, it depends on what they’re choosing. And it could lead them to a place much more different than the one they expect to go to.

              A funny idea crossed the mind of Balbina, so much so that the elderly lady, who was looking rather youngish in her dreamlike appearance couldn’t help but express it.

              — Could they come to my place? They seem so charming people, and they seem to come from the same time as I do…
              — I thought you would never ask, Yuki smiled at her mischievously.
              — Oh, why?
              — Don’t you think it’s a funny coincidence that you are to meet them here and now?
              — Well… It’s just a dream, isn’t it?
              — And what if you could make that dream reality? Prove to yourself that it’s as real as anything else…
              — That sounds exciting indeed.

              “Here!” Anita was pointing a strange shaped bush of brambles.

              Rafaela was standing next to the bushes with Armelle on a tree nearby. “I’ve thought it would be more practical for them than the rock pool”
              “Good thinking dear” Yuki answered the goat.

              — And now? Balbina asked
              — I think it’s up to you and Anita, said Yuki.

              “And where are we going from there?” asked Lily to her daughter.
              “Not far from here, to a friend’s home, in Venezuela .” answered Anita with a wink which seemed lost to her parents, but not to the beaming Balbina.

              #1060

              Today was the commemoration of the fifth anniversary of the first transmutation made on Earth.

              Of course, it didn’t take into account previous attempts (or successes), because they were of the domain of science-fiction and dubious history facts. But now, not only was it rock-solid proven feasible, but also it had change people’s lives like the invention of electricity had about two century ago, in the mid 1800s.

              At first, people had not grasped the profound implications of that discovery. It was another funny science experiment from researchers, and didn’t seem to have any more practical usage as did goat cloning, and creation of phosphorescent pigs. However, to mark the consciousnesses of the importance of the event, the government hadn’t skimped on the showcase. Not that it was of any importance after what evolution was bound to happen afterward, but still, huge sums of money were spent brilliantly.

              The symbolic aspect of choosing what object to transmute wasn’t unnoticed. It could be virtually anything physical: garbage, contaminated soil… But it had to mean more.
              Someone whose name was forgotten came with a suggestion and it slowly came up as the most natural thing —to close this area and open on the new one.
              There had been many people still left to convince, the die-hard fanaticism, but it had to be it. And for good measure, the involvement of other nations was asked.

              Sept. 4th, 2044, the ceremony opened with the display of what was left of Enola Gay that plane who had dropped the first atomic bomb, which had been almost forgotten in the West, but not completely in the East. And many nations came afterward, each carrying a symbol of what they wanted to recycle, to free themselves off.

              Then all of these heterogeneous elements entered the P-Machine, a distant relative of the Z-Machine which had been adapted and enhanced to produce aneutronic fusion at its core —highest temperatures of the universe thought unreachable by human means, harnessed to change the elements at will, and producing no harmful radiations as the atomic towers of the past.
              After a silent moment of unbearable expectation, melted gold started to flow out of the machine, making people wonder if that was all of it?

              Yes, it was merely it. Transmutation could be done, and it was not so impossible as people thought in the past. It meant free resources, recycling of garbage, abundance for all… at people’s grasp.
              What people had failed to recognize at the beginning, apart from the immense possibilities that were lying before them was that the machine could only transmute matter. And even if it could virtually free them of greed (because everything from gold to rocks was basically of the same value now), people’s own values were now made prominent, there was no camouflage left: no victims, no shortages, no lack of.

              Even five years after, it still meant huge challenges, but there was hope.

              #94
              ÉricÉric
              Keymaster

                Best known in Oorth (Dimension of Ooh) for his best selloor Words of Comfort for the Descending, a groot philosoopher and wool of wisdoom, Erwin P Lemone has made a few delightful and abysmally profoond aphorisms that needed a proper anthology.

                Be it the place for such an endeavoor.

                A few quotes

                “Sometimes it takes a single sniggly thorny path to go through to reach Elysian avenues much more efficiently” — ID850

                “rainy wedding, merry marriage” — ID1183

                “Better speak nonsense than be dead or sorry” — ID1644

                “It’s not the writer’s job to piece the stuff life is made of together, it’s the job of the reader.” — ID1661

                “A new-born book is like a little baby, except it smells only of ink, and doesn’t make spurious sounds” (said at an interview with journalist Finckle Frettle on Oo-TV)

                #1058

                She had to hold her breath a few seconds more…
                Very few seconds…
                Another one… Oh by the Elder gods! what was this all about the time was stretching like an old rubber bag and she was about to burst out… sshitty lack of air!

                Calm down Phoebe. You can do it… WHERE IS THE SURFACE!?

                All of a sudden she realized she had lost her beautiful motorbike for good — one that took her years to find, and a few more years to insufflate its little particularities.

                Oh! MERDE!

                Another memory of her time at the Moulin Rouge…

                I lost the wand again…

                But that wand was a bit more special than her motorbike. Soaked with ancient magic from another dimension… A bit like that ring in that dimension… She shivered… her small intrusion in that one sufficed to disgust her… That giant spider… what was her name again? Well the name won’t help her surface and breathe… She remembered… she had stolen an egg from that spider… she had to get rid of it very soon afterward in a garbage dimension, but…

                What is this light… and where is the direction of the surface… it was like she was floating in no space, no gravity…
                That’s not gooood…
                I’m loosing…

                :fleuron:

                …conscious…

                :fleuron:

                …Nessy!

                A big flushing sound and she could breathe again… it was painful as the water in her lungs was looking for a way out.
                Coughing and aching… She had no idea of the boundaries of her bodies as she was as wet as the ocean…
                But her friend of old times had saved her! She never regretted to help her in her youth, during a trip to Scotland…
                The contact of the… cold skin?
                It was a bit too cold to be her friend… and it sounded quite metallic.

                — Oye! Therrre you arrrre!

                What was that again!? A submarine? A Russian accent?
                She couldn’t accommodate her vision, she was still too busy to breathe loudly.

                — Deaaarrrr Pheobe! The Barrrron told me you’d be therrrre.

                Pavel Orgeanov!!! Oh not him now! He was the last one she expected to meet.

                #1057
                ÉricÉric
                Keymaster

                  Sam huh?

                  Al was quite interested in the little furry creature. He suddenly remembered that when he had opened his old worn-out copy of the Yurara Fameliki stories at random this morning, he had found this excerpt about a guy wanting to get a dog… He could even remember the page number: 110.
                  Al knew well enough that the book was a bit magic and that the described event would reverberate into his reality in many ways, but he didn’t know it would be in this strange fashion.
                  Anyhow, he quite liked it.

                  He was wondering now how Sam would do for the trip to the Floridisles with little Foxsam (huhu) —take it with them, or leave it for someone to keep?

                  #1056
                  Jib
                  Participant

                    Sam wanted to see by himself. He had suddenly remembered what Becky had told them once about a pet shop with a nine-tailed glowing fox. He hadn’t paid attention at the moment, but this was somewhat reappearing in his dreams lately. One of his focuses was the link, and he was seeing his face more and more looking directly at him.
                    He usually wasn’t speaking with his other selves, he was rather directly exchanging energy with them. At first it had been a bit awkward, practicing with telepathy and conversing with his friends was his main focus of interest. But once he was aware of how he could do that more easily and more efficiently, his attention wandered to other means of communication.
                    Eschraiel was currently nudging him, and his animal form was quite intriguing. Especially since there were those kind of animals living now!
                    He had arrived at the shop without really paying attention. He was following his guts to lead him exactly where he wanted.
                    Being soft, in the kind of mode of processing he was in currently, the people around were like objects around merged with his environment, nothing standing out. Except maybe that woman in front of the big parrot cage… no, not the woman but the color of her gown, a deep indigo, vibrant and shiny. She turned her smiling face in his direction, but it was like Eschraiel’s energy superimposed on hers. He smiled back at her and continued to the rear of the shop.

                    The creatures were in a dark room, their fur glowing with rusty and fiery shades. Apparently very engrossed in chasing each others tails… they had quite a lot to keep them busy. The little ones especially were jumping heartily on the older ones. Challenging them to retaliate… but getting apparently no response from them except a few grunts.

                    :fleuron:

                    No particular feeling at first.

                    :fleuron:

                    One of the little ones, maybe…

                    :fleuron:

                    This one. One of the older ones. A male. He was looking at him now, as aware of Sam’s energy as Sam was aware of his.
                    He yelped a few times, standing like an Egyptian Sphinx.

                    :fleuron:

                    In no time, Sam was out with his nine-tailed glowing fox…
                    He’s so still, thought Sam.
                    How would I name you? he thought, directing the energy to the creature.

                    He opened his mouth and let his tongue out in such a way, it was like he was grinning and challenging him. Sam laughed and thought to the fox : So I have to play the impression game with you then.
                    Maybe… I can call you Sam actually :))
                    One bark was enough of an answer.
                    So Sam it is!
                    Another bark.
                    I have to introduce you to my friends now… I don’t know why, but I have the feeling Al will love you

                    #2154

                    In reply to: The Story So Far

                    ÉricÉric
                    Keymaster

                      The Main Guardians (Alienor)

                      To better follow some of the threads involving Alienor history, and particularly the Guardians involvement, here are some sketches of the main Guardians.


                      Some references:

                      • (Samira appearance) ID1338
                      • (Sinadron, Noraam, Keliom) ID1344
                      • (Sinadron, Nareena, Noraam) ID1521
                      • (Shu-Lum alt. spelling of Shu Lom) ID1561 ( IIIIII )
                      #1814

                      In reply to: Synchronicity

                      ÉricÉric
                      Keymaster

                        Not so much a synch as a funny: in the weird section

                        Fans of Marmoth were already in the story … of course.

                        And another update on the “man-tree” (story ref) which is a synch (discussing one of the Guardians drawing with F, one of them, Vogel/Patel looks a bit like a man-tree)

                        #1055

                        As she was sinking to the bottom of the raging sea, Madame Chesterhope first felt like a boiling rage inside her, at all the thwarted attempts, all the unfulfilled promises.
                        Not a solid thing on which to carve a few runes or symbols to get herself out, not a single living being to use at her profit, she was alone, at the mercy of gravity.
                        Not unexpectedly, flashes of her life, of her many lives, flickered like incoherent pieces of an unfinished mosaic in her mind.

                        When did it went wrong? she thought… When did she lose touch with her magic.
                        Not the mundane magic, not the one she used for these parlor tricks devoid of meaning, like that beautiful flying motorbike which was drowning even faster than her… She was speaking of her inner magic, her sense of connection with the elements, with herself, Phoebe.

                        What had become of the frail grey-haired lady the apparency of whom she was so fond of taking years ago?
                        She was tempted to blame many things; the twenty-first century of her own dimension, for one, which had made her rough and tough, out of need perhaps, and perhaps a bit out of laziness. It was out of tiredness mostly, tiredness to have to constantly justify her appearance to others, that she had chosen a more convenient one; that of the crone with more rotund forms, of whom one would only expect austerity and strength.
                        You can see where it had led you. she was thinking.

                        A few more miles further down, and perhaps she would meet the mermaids, like the guy said in that Big Blue motion picture
                        Maybe there was some purity left in her heart, that would make the inhabitants of the depths greet her wretched soul. Or perhaps they all died before her, from the pollution of this strange world mutating in pangs and spasms of a painful childbirth.

                        And what would you do now, if you have the choice? that sweet voice, like that of a thin grey-haired mermaid, was it her own, testing herself?
                        The quest for magical artifacts seemed so far away at this moment. It had begun a long time ago, led her to discover new other-dimensional places… new tricks, all of them for what? To gain control over the elements, the others, everything that could threaten her, force her to change. How ironic. That the fear of change made her change so drastically.
                        She wanted to make peace with all of that. The mermaids weren’t coming, but her own voice was still there for her. Perhaps she could muster the strength. To continue…

                        Mustering all her force, she forcibly expressed the most propelling “prout” she’d ever made. Of course, she’d been learning a few tricks from the legendary Fartiste back in her youth when she went to Paris to perform at the Moulin Rouge… Sweetest time of her life, she had to admit…

                        :fleuron:

                        On the surface of the waters, bubbles started to form.

                        #1054
                        ÉricÉric
                        Keymaster

                          “I thought Tobi told not to open any door this month” Becky Tooh said to Tina, who was waiting patiently on the doorsteps.
                          JUST open the BLOODY door!” an exerted Tina finally managed to blurt out, remembering Mehmot Lung’s teachings

                          Tina had decided against all common sense to go to Becky Tooh (or BeckyT) and Sean’s house, not so much to happily gargle ga-bla-blu-blooes with the little crying and smelling babies, but to see if the clone’s health was really a concerning matter.
                          Al’s lack of attention on the subject had not very comforting. To say the truth, he’d been horrible as usual, and hadn’t told her he was going with Sam on a trip in the Floridisles.

                          Since New York’s flooding, and after a series of calamitous tropical cyclones, all was left of Florida was a thread of big islands, not as densely populated as it once was. However, a few of their friends were still living here, managing a dolphin ranch, and organizing on occasion some excursions with the dolphins in the lagoons.
                          Of course, she had remote-viewed it all, but it was horrible enough from Al to have assumed she would figure on her own.

                          But back to the subject, she couldn’t really decide if Beckitee’s state was alarming or not. Her lack of attention was surely running down the genes pool, she wasn’t expert enough to tell, but as far as her body was concerned, Beckitee looked absolutely perfect —though she still got hints of that little balding problem left, and so little (but noticeable, still) wrinkles on her arms, she thought.

                          Surely Beckitee was beautiful… Not sure she was as funny as Beckipoo though.

                          #1050

                          Leörmn was erring through the corridors of his draggilish mind. Some of them were nicely painted he’d found, but apart from some friendly glukenitch glowing droppings, it all seemed a bit empty.

                          Of course, connections were ever there, floating around, and could be summoned as easily as a pleasant memory in the spacious eternal present. But those were not memories the dragon wanted to interact with.
                          Since they all had made that move of the cave anchoring point to the past, nothing was quite as it was. A truism of course, but sometimes you can’t do much more than state the obvious first, to be able to change it.

                          The remnants of the dynemotical ström (another word for wortex, or intercrossing of dimensions, or whatever you want to call this mess) was only starting to fray, and it had left them all in a kind of depressed mood. Depressed, as in less pressure, and a bit deflated.
                          As soon as he imagined the words, they became reality, for dragon speech is about the very essence of things, and it can make things be what they are said to be.
                          And so he was now morphed into a deflated rubber skin of a dragon, sliding inside the tunnel doing proutish sounds that he tried to put together into harmonious music notes, to entertain the schpurniatz colonies.

                          The notes started to take some funny foggy shapes and, using the painted walls as a partition, arranged some pretense of a sentence.

                          Words seem lamp; gives lost Malvina soon damn door, telling unexpected…

                          Mmm, a door? Of course, little sweet Arona had been painting a door, but why couldn’t he use it too?

                          The key was in bridging with the past now… that much he could tell, and perhaps that door may help.

                          #1049

                          Waiting for Anita to come with Yuki and the others, Rafaela :goat: was discussing with Armelle, who was perched on a branch. :y_orly:

                          — See, I’ve been considering getting a more snappy name, you know… Can’t make nice puns with such a daft name, only fit to a goat… beh.”
                          — (embarrassed silence)
                          — Eggsactly… Mmmm, something shorter…
                          — Like Traf?… :yahoo_raised_eyebrow:
                          — Beh… it’s “fart” in reverse… isn’t it?… Though… there’s a catchy ring to it… Trafficky Traf, mmm… interesting…
                          — (more embarrassed silence, floating insane images of a goat-headed wrestler on a ring of catch…)
                          — Mmm, they’re taking such a long time to come, aren’t they?

                          (simultaneous time notwithstandingly)

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